Part of what's nice about academic psychology (pre-woke anyway), is that it is a pluralistic field. Cognitive theory, behavioralism, humanistic psychology, psychodynamic psychology, etc. etc.
At least when I studied, it was accepted that no one had "the" answer as to how the human mind worked. Examining the different theoretical orientations certainly helped me to see where my own assumptions were. I'm not a Jung expert, but I'm sure that general principle would apply.
I’m so excited to listen to this! I started reading “Memories, Dreams, and Reflections”. I fear getting locked into only seeing the world through the lens psychoanalysts have to offer.
RE: Sex as religion. So even the most immature teenage boy's wet dream has deep implications and a yearning for a life partner? Or maybe it's just biology.
Not to belabor the trans issue but I’d love to hear Lisa’s perspective as a Jungian in terms of ‘one’s true self’ when it comes to identifying as the opposite sex/gender.
This is great as I have been grazing Jungian theories for the past year or two - mostly in the social media sphere, but also because lots of people I know personally and respect as folks who seem to be well adjusted are all about that shadow work which I've sort of taken an armature swing at myself... I've been watching "youtubes." Perhaps, I should pick up a book!
I witness a LOT more emotional men than women... I'm middle aged. Maybe it has to do with women I know mostly being self assured at this stage in life (across the political and religious spectrum) and men... idk... in midlife crisis? Not sure, but so many men I know are thinking the end of the world or civil war is coming.
Not that I don't hear women talking about "crazy times," as if they never lived prior to Trump's 2nd term (which seems
to be why the crazy times), but it doesn't come with the same panic men (across the political spectrum including self proclaimed anarchists) seem to be displaying.
Perhaps, its just cause women have shit to do and get done.
Interesting topic. I am interested in some of Jung’s ideas but I’m also anti psychologizing. I don’t think Jung was trying to psychologize, but I can be skeptical when it comes to symbolism, myth, dream analysis, etc.
I’m also interested in what Meghan reads as fake or phony in a person. I would like to hear more of what she has to say about this and yes, perhaps she fears phoniness in herself. I do as well. Speaking of Jung — we all have a persona and we all play different roles depending on the situation or context. Some might say we all wear a “mask”. What does it mean to be completely not fake? Is it even possible? We all hide parts of ourselves (at least some of the time).
I don't understand the angsty thing so many women say these days about how bad things are. I say women because I don't hear men talk like that (could easily be my world). Both Megan and the guest spent a surprising amount of time on the "topic" but never defined it. I have heard it similarly from a female rabbi speaking to her congregation and especially from the women in my wife's bookclub. No one objects so presumably they all agree? I don't have any idea what any of them are talking about but somehow they are all convinced that everyone else understands.
Objectively humanity has never had it better, so what is it? Trump? Technology? Elite's losing the respect they once imagined they had from the proles?
It is more than confusing to me, it is concerning. An inability to appreciate where we are on the ark of human progress will not end well. The early 20th century was one horrific response to modernity after another (communism, world wars, etc.).
I may be overreacting to simple conversation filler but I am hearing it frequently enough that it feels like it might be a thing.
There's ample evidence that Jung had sexual relationships with many of his women patients. This wasn't just a matter of it being a time of different boundaries in therapy so the women consented happily. Many were disturbed by it and did not know where to turn. He was married to an extremely wealthy woman and had a lifelong mistress/disciple who was from the wealthiest family in Switzerland. The female patients were also well-heeled as his fees were high. His prowess as a chick-magnet and an attractor of wealthy patients is downplayed by his followers. Read Deirdre Baird's biography--the North American edition. The Jung family managed to force the publisher to release a version with this information omitted in Europe.
I'm am skeptical of many of Jung's ideas, but I thoroughly enjoyed this episode!
Part of what's nice about academic psychology (pre-woke anyway), is that it is a pluralistic field. Cognitive theory, behavioralism, humanistic psychology, psychodynamic psychology, etc. etc.
At least when I studied, it was accepted that no one had "the" answer as to how the human mind worked. Examining the different theoretical orientations certainly helped me to see where my own assumptions were. I'm not a Jung expert, but I'm sure that general principle would apply.
I’m so excited to listen to this! I started reading “Memories, Dreams, and Reflections”. I fear getting locked into only seeing the world through the lens psychoanalysts have to offer.
RE: Sex as religion. So even the most immature teenage boy's wet dream has deep implications and a yearning for a life partner? Or maybe it's just biology.
Endicott Books at 81st and Columbus was a great store.
Wow! Was that the name of it? Thank you!!
Meghan Daum & Lisa Marchiano.
Wonderful conversation.
Not to belabor the trans issue but I’d love to hear Lisa’s perspective as a Jungian in terms of ‘one’s true self’ when it comes to identifying as the opposite sex/gender.
I’ve written a few journal articles on the topic.
Thank you. I will look for those!
This is great as I have been grazing Jungian theories for the past year or two - mostly in the social media sphere, but also because lots of people I know personally and respect as folks who seem to be well adjusted are all about that shadow work which I've sort of taken an armature swing at myself... I've been watching "youtubes." Perhaps, I should pick up a book!
I witness a LOT more emotional men than women... I'm middle aged. Maybe it has to do with women I know mostly being self assured at this stage in life (across the political and religious spectrum) and men... idk... in midlife crisis? Not sure, but so many men I know are thinking the end of the world or civil war is coming.
Not that I don't hear women talking about "crazy times," as if they never lived prior to Trump's 2nd term (which seems
to be why the crazy times), but it doesn't come with the same panic men (across the political spectrum including self proclaimed anarchists) seem to be displaying.
Perhaps, its just cause women have shit to do and get done.
Interesting topic. I am interested in some of Jung’s ideas but I’m also anti psychologizing. I don’t think Jung was trying to psychologize, but I can be skeptical when it comes to symbolism, myth, dream analysis, etc.
I’m also interested in what Meghan reads as fake or phony in a person. I would like to hear more of what she has to say about this and yes, perhaps she fears phoniness in herself. I do as well. Speaking of Jung — we all have a persona and we all play different roles depending on the situation or context. Some might say we all wear a “mask”. What does it mean to be completely not fake? Is it even possible? We all hide parts of ourselves (at least some of the time).
I don't understand the angsty thing so many women say these days about how bad things are. I say women because I don't hear men talk like that (could easily be my world). Both Megan and the guest spent a surprising amount of time on the "topic" but never defined it. I have heard it similarly from a female rabbi speaking to her congregation and especially from the women in my wife's bookclub. No one objects so presumably they all agree? I don't have any idea what any of them are talking about but somehow they are all convinced that everyone else understands.
Objectively humanity has never had it better, so what is it? Trump? Technology? Elite's losing the respect they once imagined they had from the proles?
It is more than confusing to me, it is concerning. An inability to appreciate where we are on the ark of human progress will not end well. The early 20th century was one horrific response to modernity after another (communism, world wars, etc.).
I may be overreacting to simple conversation filler but I am hearing it frequently enough that it feels like it might be a thing.
There's ample evidence that Jung had sexual relationships with many of his women patients. This wasn't just a matter of it being a time of different boundaries in therapy so the women consented happily. Many were disturbed by it and did not know where to turn. He was married to an extremely wealthy woman and had a lifelong mistress/disciple who was from the wealthiest family in Switzerland. The female patients were also well-heeled as his fees were high. His prowess as a chick-magnet and an attractor of wealthy patients is downplayed by his followers. Read Deirdre Baird's biography--the North American edition. The Jung family managed to force the publisher to release a version with this information omitted in Europe.